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		<title>Comment on Is Church Marketing A Sin? by Leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 08:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

I think the danger with church marketing is when the focus of this &quot;marketing&quot; changes from focusing on Jesus to focusing on an organization called a church. One praises Jesus; the other praises us.

In fact, I wrote a bit of rant on church marketing &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://roadtopriesthood.wordpress.com/2009/05/23/is-selling-the-idea-of-jesus-wrong/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here if you or anyone else commenting is interested. 

I made three points on the dangers of church marketing, which I&#039;m writing from the viewpoint of someone seeking Jesus in their life but not previously familiar about what a relationship with Christ is about:

1) Church marketing makes a church seem like an exclusive club. 
2) Church marketing really puts the focus on ourselves with Jesus as subtext. 
3) Church marketing make churches seem disingenuous and patronizing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>I think the danger with church marketing is when the focus of this &#8220;marketing&#8221; changes from focusing on Jesus to focusing on an organization called a church. One praises Jesus; the other praises us.</p>
<p>In fact, I wrote a bit of rant on church marketing <a HREF="http://roadtopriesthood.wordpress.com/2009/05/23/is-selling-the-idea-of-jesus-wrong/" rel="nofollow">here if you or anyone else commenting is interested. </p>
<p>I made three points on the dangers of church marketing, which I&#8217;m writing from the viewpoint of someone seeking Jesus in their life but not previously familiar about what a relationship with Christ is about:</p>
<p>1) Church marketing makes a church seem like an exclusive club.<br />
2) Church marketing really puts the focus on ourselves with Jesus as subtext.<br />
3) Church marketing make churches seem disingenuous and patronizing.</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The Absolutely Best Branding Tip for Churches by The Small Business: Bridging the Digital Divide &#171; AxisPortals Aphorisms</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Small Business: Bridging the Digital Divide &#171; AxisPortals Aphorisms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Online Branding (for everything from chefs to churches), [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Most Recognized Church Brands: Part 3 by kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally true. If they don&#039;t mention bringing people do God- how can a church be worshipping Him? and if you&#039;re not worshiping God, what are you worshipping?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally true. If they don&#8217;t mention bringing people do God- how can a church be worshipping Him? and if you&#8217;re not worshiping God, what are you worshipping?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Church Marketing A Sin? Part Two by Bob Schmidt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a great topic and a question I have asked myself.  Our church over the past year has been reaching out into the community using door hangers, sending postcards to friends and families of members of our church and handing out business cards with our church info on to people we meet.  I have put together a website with some outreach ideas we are using at our church.  They have been very effective so far.  www.time2reach.org  Based on this blog I would love some feedback on the materials we are sending out.   Also, ways we may be able to improve what we are doing now or maybe some ideas on how we can reach out in other ways.  I want to reach as many people as I can for Christ.  Thank you for your input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a great topic and a question I have asked myself.  Our church over the past year has been reaching out into the community using door hangers, sending postcards to friends and families of members of our church and handing out business cards with our church info on to people we meet.  I have put together a website with some outreach ideas we are using at our church.  They have been very effective so far.  <a href="http://www.time2reach.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.time2reach.org</a>  Based on this blog I would love some feedback on the materials we are sending out.   Also, ways we may be able to improve what we are doing now or maybe some ideas on how we can reach out in other ways.  I want to reach as many people as I can for Christ.  Thank you for your input.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Church Marketing A Sin? Part Two by Steve Kryger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Kryger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James, 

I&#039;ve just come across your blog - nice work. I&#039;ve just launched a new site to help churches and Christian ministries use technology and the internet better. Check out www.communicatejesus.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James, </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just come across your blog &#8211; nice work. I&#8217;ve just launched a new site to help churches and Christian ministries use technology and the internet better. Check out <a href="http://www.communicatejesus.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.communicatejesus.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Church Marketing A Sin? Part Two by Daren W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daren W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great question and discussion in Part 1 &amp; 2.
 
Until a few months ago I was a pastor for 19 years and heard every possible argument against every possible innovation in the church.

My take on this issue is that the word &quot;marketing&quot; sounds secular or unspiritual, and so many church people are living with the dualistic worldview that causes them to see anything that isn&#039;t expliclty biblical (ie: there is a chapter and verse proof text) or anchored in years of tradition, as wrong for the church. 

Examples I have dealt with firsthand include a resistance to: drums, goal setting, and using nails or power tools in a church construction project (something about Solomon&#039;s temple being built in silence...)

All dictionary definitions aside, marketing and PR are inseparable. So when a congregant is a jerk in the checkout line at the grocery store, or helps their neighbor in a crisis, or raises their children in a certain way, and it is known they are connected to a church or simply consider themselves &quot;Christian&quot;, they are marketing.

So, as alluded to by some comments, the issue isn&#039;t whether we market or not, the issue is whether we market well or poorly. And, the most powerful form of marketing for the church, for good or for ill, is the conduct of those who are seen to belong to it. 

A cheesy add for a church full of people with a good reputation will be more effective than a professional marketing campaign for an assembly of nasties!

Post Script: Paul&#039;s decision to minister in major hub cities of the Roman Empire was a marketing decision, as was his &quot;all things to all men to save some.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great question and discussion in Part 1 &amp; 2.</p>
<p>Until a few months ago I was a pastor for 19 years and heard every possible argument against every possible innovation in the church.</p>
<p>My take on this issue is that the word &#8220;marketing&#8221; sounds secular or unspiritual, and so many church people are living with the dualistic worldview that causes them to see anything that isn&#8217;t expliclty biblical (ie: there is a chapter and verse proof text) or anchored in years of tradition, as wrong for the church. </p>
<p>Examples I have dealt with firsthand include a resistance to: drums, goal setting, and using nails or power tools in a church construction project (something about Solomon&#8217;s temple being built in silence&#8230;)</p>
<p>All dictionary definitions aside, marketing and PR are inseparable. So when a congregant is a jerk in the checkout line at the grocery store, or helps their neighbor in a crisis, or raises their children in a certain way, and it is known they are connected to a church or simply consider themselves &#8220;Christian&#8221;, they are marketing.</p>
<p>So, as alluded to by some comments, the issue isn&#8217;t whether we market or not, the issue is whether we market well or poorly. And, the most powerful form of marketing for the church, for good or for ill, is the conduct of those who are seen to belong to it. </p>
<p>A cheesy add for a church full of people with a good reputation will be more effective than a professional marketing campaign for an assembly of nasties!</p>
<p>Post Script: Paul&#8217;s decision to minister in major hub cities of the Roman Empire was a marketing decision, as was his &#8220;all things to all men to save some.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Church Marketing A Sin? Part Two by daronnwashington</title>
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		<dc:creator>daronnwashington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  I agree with the comments.  I have a degree in marketing and I am a missionary and a pastor.  To tell you the truth the truth you wouldl be surprised how much of my job is marketing.  

I think marketing get&#039;s so much defined as selling.  No one wants to sell and the idea of selling something in church to make a profit is unacceptable in the minds of most.  But to me marketing is not selling as much as good communicating. 

If the announcement of the churches activities this end of the week is not actually thought out as to if it is communicating effectively then people will not come. 

If the message on Sunday is not prepared effectively then people will sleep during the message. 

If we look at it as the process of better communicating our ministries God given vision it can be a tool that helps us do our best.

Of course Jesus is involved in every step of the way.

Also agree with your comment on chessy church marketing.  The majority of it needs a lot of prayer just to say the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  I agree with the comments.  I have a degree in marketing and I am a missionary and a pastor.  To tell you the truth the truth you wouldl be surprised how much of my job is marketing.  </p>
<p>I think marketing get&#8217;s so much defined as selling.  No one wants to sell and the idea of selling something in church to make a profit is unacceptable in the minds of most.  But to me marketing is not selling as much as good communicating. </p>
<p>If the announcement of the churches activities this end of the week is not actually thought out as to if it is communicating effectively then people will not come. </p>
<p>If the message on Sunday is not prepared effectively then people will sleep during the message. </p>
<p>If we look at it as the process of better communicating our ministries God given vision it can be a tool that helps us do our best.</p>
<p>Of course Jesus is involved in every step of the way.</p>
<p>Also agree with your comment on chessy church marketing.  The majority of it needs a lot of prayer just to say the least.</p>
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